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Why You Should Hire a DF Professional for Criminal Cases

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marcyu
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Why You Should Hire a DF Professional for Criminal Cases

Post Posted: Jan 02, 18 16:40

www.usatoday.com/story...995197001/
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tracedf
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Re: Why You Should Hire a DF Professional for Criminal Cases

Post Posted: Jan 02, 18 18:40

It's not just criminal cases. Most small to mid-sized businesses are content to have their local system administrator provide forensic support to HR with no training, tools, etc. Most of the time, the cases are simple enough that they get the right result and/or do not get challenged (e.g. Bob knows he is guilty so he takes the severance offered and quietly resigns). In other cases, the employee gets screwed. But, I don't think many companies are having to pay up yet so good luck convincing them to hire an expert when their IT guy is willing to take a look.  
 
  

jaclaz
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Re: Why You Should Hire a DF Professional for Criminal Cases

Post Posted: Jan 02, 18 20:04

You see how different people may get different morals from a story? Smile

You got:
Why You Should Hire a DF Professional for Criminal Cases

I got:
Police should be better trained (and be held responsible for their incompetence).

From one of the linked articles:
www.dailymail.co.uk/ne...under.html


In an exclusive interview with the MoS, Mr Kay said archived versions of the original messages – proving he had consensual sex with his accuser – were found by his sister-in-law, Sarah Maddison. When she showed the Facebook exchange to the officer in charge of the investigation, he said: ‘How did you know how to find the messages and we didn’t?’


and:

‘Why didn’t the police check my Facebook account when they had my laptop and login details right from the start? Why did it take my sister-in-law to find the evidence? This isn’t some small matter, this is my life and for the police not to do those basic checks is horrendous.’

Mr Kay said he owed his liberty to a chance conversation with a fellow inmate, who convinced him the Facebook messages he thought were lost were recoverable.

Mr Kay asked Ms Maddison to log in to his account. ‘I couldn’t believe how easy it was to find the messages,’ she said. ‘I’ve just worked in admin all my life and am no social media expert. It only took me a minute to find them so how trained police couldn’t is beyond me.’


and:

The Mail on Sunday has seen a witness statement from the officer leading the investigation, saying the messages were obtained by asking the accuser to log in to Facebook and print them off. ‘I made sure that no messages were missed,’ he said. At no point did the officer cross-reference the accuser’s version of the conversation with Mr Kay’s archived messages.


And, JFYI, these "news" are even worse:

nakedsecurity.sophos.c...l-arrests/


Link to the actual report by Sir Stanley Burnton:
www.gov.uk/government/...eport-2016

www.gov.uk/government/...2016_2.PDF

Let's hope that 2017 has been a better year.


jaclaz
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marcyu
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Re: Why You Should Hire a DF Professional for Criminal Cases

Post Posted: Jan 02, 18 20:32

- jaclaz
Police should be better trained (and be held responsible for their incompetence).


That is a truism for any public entity, but the funding just is not there; nor will the funding ever be there for most localities. That being the reality, the only thing you can do is to defend yourself as vehemently as possible, especially by paying for a trained professional in the fields that you need expertise.
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Vice President of Digital Forensics and e-Discovery 
 
  

minime2k9
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Re: Why You Should Hire a DF Professional for Criminal Cases

Post Posted: Jan 02, 18 20:45

- marcyu
- jaclaz
Police should be better trained (and be held responsible for their incompetence).


That is a truism for any public entity, but the funding just is not there; nor will the funding ever be there for most localities. That being the reality, the only thing you can do is to defend yourself as vehemently as possible, especially by paying for a trained professional in the fields that you need expertise.


Apparently police should be trained to deal with all types of cases to the best ability of an expert in that field and keep up to date with the latest methods, its blatantly not going to happen.

The police have to deal with a wide range of cases and although technology plays a big part in a lot of cases now, expecting them to be experts in all technology is unrealistic. This is ultimately the problem with tools for front line officers, eventually they will miss something important and the whole thing will blow up.  
 
  

keydet89
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Re: Why You Should Hire a DF Professional for Criminal Cases

Post Posted: Jan 02, 18 20:56

- tracedf
It's not just criminal cases. Most small to mid-sized businesses are content to have their local system administrator provide forensic support to HR with no training, tools, etc. .


Don't mean to keep pushing this off topic, but this leads directly to a conversation I've been having with another professional in the field; specifically, how do clients of forensic services determine the competency of the analysts, and judge the quality of the work?

I ask, as I've been in the industry for some time. I've seen and been involved in "cases" where a client would call and ask us to review someone else's report. I've also been tasked with reviewing reports sent to clients by coworkers (previous to my current employment), and in more than one instance, found the report of findings to be completely incorrect.

How do clients in the private sector determine the quality of work done? How do lawyers determine the quality of the work performed by those they hire?  
 
  

keydet89
Senior Member
 

Re: Why You Should Hire a DF Professional for Criminal Cases

Post Posted: Jan 02, 18 21:05

- minime2k9

Apparently police should be trained to deal with all types of cases to the best ability of an expert in that field and keep up to date with the latest methods, its blatantly not going to happen.


Agreed. Sworn officers have too many other requirements that they have to meet, just to maintain proficiency in their jobs.

It's unfortunate that there's a culture bias, to some extent, against developing relationships with outside 'experts', those who are in a position to maintain a much higher level of competency and awareness. I know of a few instances where this was done to great effect, but it didn't last long once other officers in the department found out what was going on.

I'm not saying that I want to see the pictures that officers have to view...nothing could be further from the truth. What I'm saying is that there folks out there like me who would be more than happy to assist law enforcement officers who wanted assistance. I have done so in the past (albeit not with any local jurisdiction) and would be happy to do so again, as I'm sure others would, as well.  
 

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