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iCloud lock removal

Discussion of forensic issues related to all types of mobile phones and underlying technologies (GSM, GPRS, UMTS/3G, HSDPA, LTE, Bluetooth etc.)
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iCloud lock removal

Post Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 5:19 am

As this subject affects DFA I ask for PM only. We have access to a large number of lost and found devices we would like to use for training purposes. Which is the fastest way to remove iCloud lock and ALS Activation Lock Status?  

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Re: iCloud lock removal

Post Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 6:21 am

Ask Apple in .ch, in your case, they would cooperate.
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Re: iCloud lock removal

Post Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 6:26 am

I get the feeling Apple wouldn't make it easy, since the whole point is to disincentivise device reuse

Asking Apple may be the easiest way, I'm not sure if they would help though.  

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Re: iCloud lock removal

Post Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 6:29 am

- RolfGutmann
We have access to a large number of lost and found devices we would like to use for training purposes.


This is very interesting -sideways - from a purely legal standpoint.

With traditional "lost and found" items, let's say an umbrella or a suitcase the item was stored *somewhere* and, if it was not claimed for within a given time the item would have been auctioned publicly.

What happens now with digital devices (i.e. more or less a repository containing data about substantial parts of someone's life)?

Would selling these devices at an auction be *somehow* contrary to any of the various data protection Laws?[1]

What happens if these devices (and their contents) go into the hands of Digital (LEO) Investigators?

Would they be able to identify the owners? Confused

If yes, shouldn't they have the (moral if not legal) requirement to attempt contacting the owner?

Or - independently from the ability/possibility to identify the owner - shouldn't there be some kind of "deleting protocol" to be implemented as soon as the device is *somehow* accessed and made operative again?

Otherwise, wouldn't that (allowing a LEO to access the data on these devices) be some form of warrantless search?

jaclaz

[1] Single datapoint, a few years ago, while working as a consultant for the equivalent of a Chapter11 procedure I raised the issue of re-selling the PC's belonging to a bankrupted company and in the end everyone, including the lawyers and the Judge agreed on the opportunity of wiping the disks before putting the computers on auction.
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Re: iCloud lock removal

Post Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 6:31 am

We did, they refused. Of course, to sell new devices is always better. But we have also budget restraints and search for new ways of destructive devices for trainings.  

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Re: iCloud lock removal

Post Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 6:38 am

@jaclaz, good points.

If really legally clean would be: Lost and found devices to fully destroy. No selling at all.  

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Re: iCloud lock removal

Post Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 6:55 am

www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9ns02AZ2vU

29.04.18 posted on yt. Is this still working? Who may did test it?

Any domain just .uk I would question. Normally it looks .co.uk right?  

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