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New Starter / Certification Path to follow

Computer forensics training and education issues. If you are looking for topic suggestions for your project, thesis or dissertation please post here rather than the general discussion forum.
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keith.bucknall
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Re: New Starter / Certification Path to follow

Post Posted: Oct 03, 04 18:42

Andy

OK HERE WE GO.......

Thanks for the info on your views, i fully understand what you are saying and perhps i need to contact my law enforcement establishment. I did like the Cranfield spec and have asked for more information.

I understand it is a 3yr Degree but can this be undertaken by Self Sponsorship? I believe the path first would be to do the basic Ec Council Ethical Hacker Forensic Invesigator or the C.C.E from (http://www.trainingcamp.co.uk/uk/forensics_roadmap.asp) - could you please advise on the Professionally Reconised.....

I will also contact Encase and see what they can advise but my question again (sorry for the all the questions, but if one is going to spend this sort of personal money i need to make sure i am doing it as per the Field!) after this and signing up maybe in March for the Cranfield Degree what next.....! Are there specialist recuirment agencies for this, would my County Law Enforcement has such a department. Would these basic courses and determination alone get my a junior role etc...

I would also agree with you on the BBS's but then for someone like myself (even though i know you are unsure, feel free to check my web site out www.promo-it.co.uk) this is the perfect information. How do you become a specialist expert if you can not ask the experts...!!!!!!

A great thank you again for all information, once i know where to start then out come the savings....

Thanks
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Keith Bucknall
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Andy
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Re: New Starter / Certification Path to follow

Post Posted: Oct 03, 04 19:51

Hi Keith,

The full MSc course at Cranfield just yet (£15,000). It’s very very expensive. What I suggest is the short foundation course to begin with (2 weeks residential) – titled The Forensic Computing Foundation course.

I am reluctant to recommend courses because my tastes might be different to yours, but if someone says to me they have done the Forensic Computing Foundation Course (2 weeks) at Cranfield, I am impressed – because I done it and thought it was quite hard to pass.

Andy

P.S. I like your site – the flash intro is quite cool.  

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keith.bucknall
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Re: New Starter / Certification Path to follow

Post Posted: Oct 03, 04 20:08

Andy

Thanks once again mate for the details i did not know the MSc was that price - guess i wont be doin g that. I will get some more info on the 2 week foundation...

The Training Camp is "ok" i did my MCSE with them and the setup was a little "amature" but i am sure they will improve. The cost is not worth the course though, at present they are trying to sell me the CEH and CCE course - to little avail i might add. Also +VAT in this world...

I will email Encase for further information and pricing i did notice that to pass this i would need a personal licensed edition of EnCase - och $2,400 a lot of moeny...

If you get time could you just check the content of the Ec-Council CHFI course and see if this is worth doing. At present i am happy to pay around £3k for a few courses but that is my limit....

I guess then update CV and try and look around for something.....
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jamie
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Re: New Starter / Certification Path to follow

Post Posted: Oct 04, 04 17:35

Just a quick follow up to Andy's earlier comment:

One thing that did bother me initially is that ethically there is the question of whether posts on this, or any forensic bbs could be exploited by an offender to learn techniques for covering up their tracks and perverting the course of justice.


A very fair point and certainly something I considered too. Some may remember that in a previous incarnation of these forums we had a forum for investigators only. It was hardly ever used and the burden was always on Forensic Focus to vet the membership...tough to do given fairly limited resources (including time). With that in mind I decided to get rid of that forum entirely when we upgraded the forums and rely on our members' common sense as far as the disclosure of potentially sensitive information is concerned. In addition, as Andy states, most forensic/anti-forensic techniques are well documented elsewhere.

At the end of the day I think the benefits outweigh the risks but, of course, nothing is ever certain. If anyone is keen to have an investigators only forum again then by all means let me know.

Cheers,

Jamie
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mark777
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Re: New Starter / Certification Path to follow

Post Posted: Oct 21, 04 23:44

I agree with everything said about Cranfield. Anybody in the UK wanting to do Forensic Computing should do at least the three initial courses. Extremely hardwork but worthwhile. I also use Encase as my major tool but also like to corroborate results by using other methods like FTK. For UK based Examiners I would also recommend a series of three courses run by 7safe (Dan Haagman) These deal with (and you get three professional qualifications) with Forensic Networks Security in the main hacking and the effects it has on a computer, registry files and traces that trojans leave behind etc and for someone trying to prove or disprove a Trojan defence to a charge of downloading Child Abuse images they are quite honestly the most worthwhile courses I have ever been on. You also get a good grounding into the use of creating virtual networks (VMWare is used) which is quite handy now with the Emulated drive addition in Encase 4.18 (PS I am not employed by any of the above mentioned organisations I just believe in giving credit where credit is due) Very Happy
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keith.bucknall
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Re: New Starter / Certification Path to follow

Post Posted: Oct 22, 04 12:49

Mark

Thanks for the email, i have seen the 7safe website before but did not know how good there where. I was looking into the CCE and / or the CHFI course....

Do you have a contact at 7safe i could email for details as i would like to try and "discuss" a price as this would be self funded, in the hope to get me the basic qualifications needed for a junior Forensic position.
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