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The rates of pay

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The rates of pay

Post Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 5:21 am

Some observations to bear in mind.

The rates of pay - trewmte.blogspot.co.uk...f-pay.html
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trewmte
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Re: The rates of pay

Post Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:41 am

Are you saying that you are not allowed to charge more than that rate?
Are all the expert are exactly identical in their competence?  

jhup
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Re: The rates of pay

Post Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:55 am

In the US:

1. The rate of pay you can charge is based on the entity that is hiring you if it is an appointed case and it varies by state, county and federal jurisdiction.

2. As far as what you can charge for retained cases, that is up to you to set or negotiate with your clients.
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Re: The rates of pay

Post Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:49 am

There have been guidelines that identify a rate of pay for work going back to The Legal Aid in Criminal Proceedings (Costs) Regulations 1988, 1989, 2000 and subsequent amendments thereafter. The guidance back then quoted an hourly rate £80.00. The UKSI 2011 identifies an uplift of £10.00 to £90.00.

The guidance rates you see being quoted are those that, unless an instructing solicitor can show why more should be paid per hour, are the hourly fees (the rate of pay) a person may receive. A Court can order (although this might be a last resort) that the amount being hourly charged by the expert should exceed that of the rate quoted in the guidance.

A fundmental and important fact to remember is that the payments are drawn from taxes that have been allocated as a cash sum for use in Legally Aided cases and therefore requires care.

Whilst I do not fully agree that the fees are fair, they highlight a beneficial insight that can be drawn from them. The guidance fees show that the UK national minimum wage was excessively under valued as there is no hourly fees quoted that are close to the national minimum wage. Why is that important? Because an implicit fact that can be drawn from the fees is the reward to recognise the importance of striving for knowledge and skillsets and to work to high standards. It is not unreasonable to suggest this can help people understand their value and to see if it is being properly recognised or the employment situation is merely draining personal resources in a pay-as-you-throw mentality.

Finally, the guidance fees in the UKSI have no impact where the client is paying privately.
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trewmte
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Re: The rates of pay

Post Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:12 pm

Can you elaborate for us, not in the UK, what those rates represent in your opinion? Is it too high, too low, appropriate?  

jhup
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Re: The rates of pay

Post Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:19 pm

To discuss your question needs identification and consideration, at minimum, of three different economic operating bands

NMW
Measured against those on the national minimum wage (NMW) the guidance fees may represent an ideal many might desire to earn on a hourly basis.

Starting Out/New to Profession
For those seeking employment or not experienced enough with valuing their services the guidelines highlights a gauge or measurement that a person may wish to use to see if they are below or above the threshold set out in the guidance. For instance, where did this notion come from that cell site/mobile telephone examiners should fit into a catagory of £22K-£30K as seen in the adverts here at FF and elsewhere? From the amount of salary point of view a person could look at the guidance hourly fees compared to say £30,000 per annum divided by number of working weeks and number of hours per day and may think I am only being paid £10/£12 p/h and yet the thieving basket (joke) is billing my services at £90 p/h.

Seasoned Professional
Professionally, though, the guidance fees do not represent appropriate value or recompense for the years of striving, knowledge and experience and are too low against the burdens expected to be carried by a professional.

The quality measurement of cost should not be based on an average hourly rate but the rate of pay advanced on a case by case basis commensurate with the complexity of the work involved.

However, at the higher end £300/£400 per hour and at the lower end £130.00/£190 per hour are not uncommon in today's fiscal climate.

Perhaps you could, from a US point of view, disclose what you say is typical US hourly rates?
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trewmte
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Re: The rates of pay

Post Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:44 am

I have seen rates from 40/hr to 500/hr here in the US.

The average seems to be 200-250 per hour.


Our firm's rate is 250.00 an hour and it is published on our web site in our FAQ section.
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